Mairead Ronan

Ray Darcy.

We're going to have to just stop saying each other's name every time I'm on the podcast like this.

Yes.

That's it.

Yes, Bell Burden.

Yeah, I couldn't stop with this book.

I mean, I quite literally devoured this book.

And I had just seen a clip, I think on Instagram, I don't know who she was chatting to.

It definitely wasn't Oprah, because that's the one now that everyone's looking at this week and listening to this week.

But it is a book that is an account of a marriage where she believes she's married to a loving husband, a devoted father, and

But actually, by the end of it, she feels she was married to a total stranger.

That's really the book.

It's a bit of a scary book, actually, you know, because... What had happened the day before that?

The day before the six o'clock in the morning?

They're on the island, which they have this beautiful summer home in Massachusetts.

Yeah, there you go.

Their two daughters are with them.

Daughters are 12 and 15.

And they have a 17-year-old son, but he's with his friends.

Living the dream, exactly.