Maj. Eric Kleinsmith

No.

No.

Here's the rub, because it was myself and one of my warrant officer analysts who was on the team. We had to have a deep discussion, because we were told, if you're collecting information that has information about U.S. persons from an intelligence standpoint... I mean, they beat this regulation into your head every year as a requirement. So we were warned.

Here's the rub, because it was myself and one of my warrant officer analysts who was on the team. We had to have a deep discussion, because we were told, if you're collecting information that has information about U.S. persons from an intelligence standpoint... I mean, they beat this regulation into your head every year as a requirement. So we were warned.

Oh, by the way, all this stuff that you had collected, and it wasn't just one chart. It was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in... Northern Africa, we had cells in the Middle East, we had cells in the Far East, and then we started seeing cells pop up within the U.S.

Oh, by the way, all this stuff that you had collected, and it wasn't just one chart. It was dozens of charts. We had dozens of connections. We had cells in... Northern Africa, we had cells in the Middle East, we had cells in the Far East, and then we started seeing cells pop up within the U.S.

My hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a potential operation, a front organization that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just operatives. So it wasn't just operatives. It was an entire support and sympathetic footprint.

My hometown of Plymouth, Michigan popped up as a potential operation, a front organization that was using my little hometown outside of Detroit to funnel money into the organization. So it was more than just operatives. So it wasn't just operatives. It was an entire support and sympathetic footprint.

Part of it is when you're doing data mining, you're harvesting everything. Including open source. Intelligence collectors are very restricted on what we can collect when a U.S. person comes up. But when a tool does it, it gets everything. And so you have to be able to go through that and excite all the information about U.S. persons.

Part of it is when you're doing data mining, you're harvesting everything. Including open source. Intelligence collectors are very restricted on what we can collect when a U.S. person comes up. But when a tool does it, it gets everything. And so you have to be able to go through that and excite all the information about U.S. persons.

This is a throwback from Vietnam days and Pike and Church Committee 75, that kind of stuff. So they wrote these regulations for intel collection, but they never updated them, again, because we were the first data mining operation.

This is a throwback from Vietnam days and Pike and Church Committee 75, that kind of stuff. So they wrote these regulations for intel collection, but they never updated them, again, because we were the first data mining operation.

So on the evening of 9-11, we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations the entire time we were running this operation that we knew something was coming. So 9-11 happens. We're all talking to each other. And the watch phrase was, so it begins. We knew this was coming out. And that was, you know.

So on the evening of 9-11, we were all on the phone with each other because we knew it was coming. We had deep conversations the entire time we were running this operation that we knew something was coming. So 9-11 happens. We're all talking to each other. And the watch phrase was, so it begins. We knew this was coming out. And that was, you know.

We knew something was coming. They were coming offensively, and they had already established a deep footprint.

We knew something was coming. They were coming offensively, and they had already established a deep footprint.

Yes, that was before Able Danger.

Yes, that was before Able Danger.

No, that was a different effort. He had subpoenaed it, so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill. But the rest of it you destroyed, I guess. Yeah, then in November is when the Able Danger started. It was in March, spring the next year, that we were given the cease and desist. And while that was going on, when you collect information about U.S.

No, that was a different effort. He had subpoenaed it, so we had to make copies of it and send it to Capitol Hill. But the rest of it you destroyed, I guess. Yeah, then in November is when the Able Danger started. It was in March, spring the next year, that we were given the cease and desist. And while that was going on, when you collect information about U.S.