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Malcolm Gladwell

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Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And there's actually been a whole scholarship about how they weren't denying the Holocaust. They just weren't mentioning it. It wasn't discussed. It just wasn't. There's only one Holocaust museum in this country prior to the 1980s. And that's actually here in L.A. And that was one that was created almost by accident. I tell that story in the book.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

A bunch of survivors are at Hollywood High learning English together, and they want a place to put their stuff, the stuff they can't bear to keep in their house, right? The uniform from Auschwitz or whatever. And then what happens, so this is, and if you look at, like, how often is the word Holocaust used in books, magazine articles, newspapers, up until 1979?

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

A bunch of survivors are at Hollywood High learning English together, and they want a place to put their stuff, the stuff they can't bear to keep in their house, right? The uniform from Auschwitz or whatever. And then what happens, so this is, and if you look at, like, how often is the word Holocaust used in books, magazine articles, newspapers, up until 1979?

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

A bunch of survivors are at Hollywood High learning English together, and they want a place to put their stuff, the stuff they can't bear to keep in their house, right? The uniform from Auschwitz or whatever. And then what happens, so this is, and if you look at, like, how often is the word Holocaust used in books, magazine articles, newspapers, up until 1979?

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And the answer is, it's almost never used. Then there's a four-part miniseries on NBC starring Meryl Streep and James Woods called Holocaust, which half the country, it has a 50 share, half the country tunes in to watch it, and boom. Yeah. After that, that's when we get all the Holocaust museums.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And the answer is, it's almost never used. Then there's a four-part miniseries on NBC starring Meryl Streep and James Woods called Holocaust, which half the country, it has a 50 share, half the country tunes in to watch it, and boom. Yeah. After that, that's when we get all the Holocaust museums.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And the answer is, it's almost never used. Then there's a four-part miniseries on NBC starring Meryl Streep and James Woods called Holocaust, which half the country, it has a 50 share, half the country tunes in to watch it, and boom. Yeah. After that, that's when we get all the Holocaust museums.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

No, you, I mean, there are these little mentions here. There's Diary of Anne Frank, obviously, which is on Broadway and also a movie. But even that, remember, that's really about Anne Frank's story in Holland. It's not really about what's going on in the camps in Central Europe.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

No, you, I mean, there are these little mentions here. There's Diary of Anne Frank, obviously, which is on Broadway and also a movie. But even that, remember, that's really about Anne Frank's story in Holland. It's not really about what's going on in the camps in Central Europe.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

No, you, I mean, there are these little mentions here. There's Diary of Anne Frank, obviously, which is on Broadway and also a movie. But even that, remember, that's really about Anne Frank's story in Holland. It's not really about what's going on in the camps in Central Europe.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

The average American, when they finally run that miniseries, most Americans were dimly aware that there had been, the term that was used back then was that there had been atrocities. But the idea that there was this kind of systematic destruction of European Jewry at the scale that it was and what that meant was sort of absent from discussion.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

The average American, when they finally run that miniseries, most Americans were dimly aware that there had been, the term that was used back then was that there had been atrocities. But the idea that there was this kind of systematic destruction of European Jewry at the scale that it was and what that meant was sort of absent from discussion.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

The average American, when they finally run that miniseries, most Americans were dimly aware that there had been, the term that was used back then was that there had been atrocities. But the idea that there was this kind of systematic destruction of European Jewry at the scale that it was and what that meant was sort of absent from discussion.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And then the miniseries then gets resold to German television. And the same thing happens only times 10, because the Germans had just not mentioned the Holocaust at all. And all of these Germans discover for the first time what their country did. And there's a whole literature about what happened when the Germans finally watched this NBC. I mean, the country was in an uproar.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And then the miniseries then gets resold to German television. And the same thing happens only times 10, because the Germans had just not mentioned the Holocaust at all. And all of these Germans discover for the first time what their country did. And there's a whole literature about what happened when the Germans finally watched this NBC. I mean, the country was in an uproar.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And then the miniseries then gets resold to German television. And the same thing happens only times 10, because the Germans had just not mentioned the Holocaust at all. And all of these Germans discover for the first time what their country did. And there's a whole literature about what happened when the Germans finally watched this NBC. I mean, the country was in an uproar.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

I mean, you cannot imagine, there's almost no analogous media event to what happened when the Germans watched this. It was on late night cable, and the whole country tunes in. And it just kind of, there was, you know, all the major newspapers ran these huge sections discussing what had happened, and people were like, wait.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

I mean, you cannot imagine, there's almost no analogous media event to what happened when the Germans watched this. It was on late night cable, and the whole country tunes in. And it just kind of, there was, you know, all the major newspapers ran these huge sections discussing what had happened, and people were like, wait.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

I mean, you cannot imagine, there's almost no analogous media event to what happened when the Germans watched this. It was on late night cable, and the whole country tunes in. And it just kind of, there was, you know, all the major newspapers ran these huge sections discussing what had happened, and people were like, wait.

Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend
Malcolm Gladwell Returns

And that's when, now you have in Germany a real heightened awareness of their responsibility for the Holocaust.