Malcolm Gladwell

And all of a sudden you're exposed to a show where there's a gay character and there's nothing, I mean, he has problems, but they're not problems related to his sexuality. He's just a neurotic, just another neurotic. He's like the rest of us. He's got problems, we all have, yeah. Living in an apartment in New York, which is what all sitcoms were about in those days, right?

So there's something with that show that is a revolutionary show. It completely rewrites the rules. I think it's always a fun experiment to say, what are the five most important television shows of the last 50 years? I think Will and Grace is like, I would put it, I don't know, second, third. I think it's ahead of Archie Bunker. They always say 60 minutes is one. I usually get three.

So there's something with that show that is a revolutionary show. It completely rewrites the rules. I think it's always a fun experiment to say, what are the five most important television shows of the last 50 years? I think Will and Grace is like, I would put it, I don't know, second, third. I think it's ahead of Archie Bunker. They always say 60 minutes is one. I usually get three.

So there's something with that show that is a revolutionary show. It completely rewrites the rules. I think it's always a fun experiment to say, what are the five most important television shows of the last 50 years? I think Will and Grace is like, I would put it, I don't know, second, third. I think it's ahead of Archie Bunker. They always say 60 minutes is one. I usually get three.

I'm usually three.

I'm usually three.

I'm usually three.

I should not have laughed so heartily at your suggestion.

I should not have laughed so heartily at your suggestion.

I should not have laughed so heartily at your suggestion.

I think you're top ten.

I think you're top ten.

I think you're top ten.

Can I make a peripheral point about late night and the decline? What late night is meant? Oh, sure. So for several generations, this is not related to my book, all of America, not all of America, a huge chunk of America every night watches some version of either Jimmy, Johnny Carson or someone else interview somebody, engage in a conversation with somebody.

Can I make a peripheral point about late night and the decline? What late night is meant? Oh, sure. So for several generations, this is not related to my book, all of America, not all of America, a huge chunk of America every night watches some version of either Jimmy, Johnny Carson or someone else interview somebody, engage in a conversation with somebody.

Can I make a peripheral point about late night and the decline? What late night is meant? Oh, sure. So for several generations, this is not related to my book, all of America, not all of America, a huge chunk of America every night watches some version of either Jimmy, Johnny Carson or someone else interview somebody, engage in a conversation with somebody.

And it's highly entertaining, but also what they're seeing is a masterful interviewer interview someone, right? So you're getting, it's kind of like interviewing class conducted on a national basis for everyone in America. That goes away. And I have become convinced that no one knows how to interview anyone anymore. Or even have, really what Johnny Carson is having is conversations, right? Yeah.

And it's highly entertaining, but also what they're seeing is a masterful interviewer interview someone, right? So you're getting, it's kind of like interviewing class conducted on a national basis for everyone in America. That goes away. And I have become convinced that no one knows how to interview anyone anymore. Or even have, really what Johnny Carson is having is conversations, right? Yeah.

And it's highly entertaining, but also what they're seeing is a masterful interviewer interview someone, right? So you're getting, it's kind of like interviewing class conducted on a national basis for everyone in America. That goes away. And I have become convinced that no one knows how to interview anyone anymore. Or even have, really what Johnny Carson is having is conversations, right? Yeah.

Really fun conversations. I think the art of conversation has declined at the same time as the decline of late night. I don't think people, you need a model. No one has a model anymore. They're not, it's like. You're being incredibly rude right now.