Malcolm Turnbull

That would be challenging.

But I think the point is that it depends what the party is standing for.

You see, the reason...

that those independents were elected, in my view, was not because they were independents, but because they were not Labour or Liberal.

And in particularly in most of the seats the so-called Teals occupy, they were safe Liberal seats in the cities.

They were elected because the Liberal Party, particularly the case after I left, was seen to have moved too far to the right.

I mean, Zali Stegall won because she was not

She wasn't a Labor candidate, but she also wasn't a Tony Abbott.

So that was a vote against the Liberal Party member that was seen as being too right-wing.

The simple point I'm making is the very existence of the Teals should have sent a powerful message to the Liberal Party, you have to tack back to the centre.

You've got to be focusing on winning 50% plus one of the electorate

not winning the applause of Sky News After Dark or the Murdoch tabloids, you know.

Instead, they've kept going off to the right with very predictable results.

And so the more the Liberal Party tries to emulate One Nation, the more it validates One Nation, legitimises One Nation.

And if you say tough on immigration,

is an important thing, important issue.

If tough on immigration is the issue of the day, then people who are concerned about that will say, oh, well, I may as well vote for the real deal.

I'll vote for Pauline.

So the problem is you cannot outflank one nation.

I mean, Barnaby's made this point.