Mallory Rubin

Like how much are the spots he's in, actual characters?

I mean, obviously, we had been exposed to this, you know, in the trailers.

We got to see the first, the release of the first images, the first glimpse at Comic-Con last summer when I got to, like, feel you quiver beside me.

With anticipation.

Very, very meaningful experience.

You know, he looks unbelievable.

It's like, it takes zero effort to convince yourself that

the throngs would show up to like... Not millions, not billions, but thousands.

800 would fill that venue every night to just watch him.

And that when he, you know, crowd surfs, they would delight in touching him and that they would be so enraptured and swept up in the experience that they wouldn't notice as he levitates back on stage, which was another fun detail of

Because of that, like, kind of, like, you know, collective delusion, even though a lot of the people there are there because they're true believers, right?

Like, who believes, who doesn't, who is easy to trick and deceive, who is even paying attention.

That's, like, an interesting thing to ask about people in that room, just sort of, like, where we are as a society more broadly.

It was interesting to think back to, like, Santiago in season two.

And, you know, all of the things that they were doing on stage were real, but they were counting on the audience believing it was a trick.

on our minds for many reasons, the prestige, which I know you'll bring up later.

Like, that's just really fun as a commentary about, like, what people are, like, ready to receive and how.

So I love that.

And yeah, he just, he looks believably like a rock star.

Yeah.