Mallory Rubin

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And I've obviously texted you right away just because I know what a, you know, seismic and, um, central presence he was in your life for so long and continues to be.

And like, just knowing how

everybody has their own relationship to that character and the performance, but how much he means to so many people.

And I love what you just said.

And, you know...

It's been one of the really great things to cover.

Obviously, I just have like a tremendous crush on Giles and he's very powerful in many respects.

But, you know, one of the things that's been such a joy to cover and to think about as I've watched the show for the first time is like the impact that he and Buffy have on each other and the way that they teach each other and the whole Scooby gang and that Giles is this mentor and this guide and this stalwart, but also he has as much to offer.

to learn and they're shaping him in turn.

That's just been such a rewarding way to think about those relationships that can help kind of like root you throughout your life and guide you throughout your life.

And the idea that like somebody who you're meant to learn from, like one of the things you can just learn is to like embrace your ability and your sense of purpose and then figure out what

you want to do with that.

It's just such like an empowering, an empowering thing.

So it's been really, really, really great to get to spend time with Giles and with this performance.

And God, it's going to be, it's going to be sad to boot up season five.

curb my impulses there if she wants to i have no book knowledge in this case it's it's an interesting experience it's fun to be you know and and i guess if anybody is checking out uh this pod for the first time and didn't hear our gift exchanges you know this to you is a this is a sacred text a big part of your life for a long time the show has been your one of your seminal indeed

You've been there from minute one for the show.

I had not read the books.

I had not seen the show.