Manda Scott

And to what Suzette said, why do politicians focus so much on elections?

Because it's become a profession.

So the main goal of politicians is to get reelected.

So they focus on elections.

But what Bernie was saying, you want a real revolution, the citizens have to be engaged all the time.

And I think one of the things that has to happen is the people in the reasonable middle

who haven't signed up for a tribe, and I consider myself one of those people, we have to be much more engaged.

We have to demand a different way to happen.

And a great reason that on our podcast, The Way Forward, we had Bill McKibben, who just wrote a book called Here Comes the Sun about the surge of solar revolution across the globe, which is a very hopeful sign.

But one of the points that he made was in Texas, they tried to outlaw some of these wind farms.

And it was rural Texans, Republican Texans, who went to the legislature

and said, don't do this because you're going to hurt our communities.

So when the citizens got engaged, the people who were on this, you know, quest for these kind of, you know, really unreasonable reasons back down.

So we have to take some responsibility as the citizens.

That's what I'm saying.

Bernie was right.

We are, you know, years ago, Gordon Campbell, when he ran for the premier of British Columbia,

During his election, I saw him speak and he asked this rhetorical question.

Then I'll be quiet because it speaks for itself.

He said, why do politicians break their promises?