Mandy Moore

And yeah, I have this in real time where some people were like, I can't, I can't, I don't want to see it.

We've seen enough.

Unfortunately, there's been multiple examples of this that have happened through history of black men dying on camera.

right, sometimes at the hands of law enforcement, sometimes in other circumstances, there is a bit of post-traumatic stress that a lot of folks carry with them and also contributes to like, as I did this show, Washington Black, I was very cognizant of folks are tired of shows that sort of like focus on the trauma and pain of the Black experience and not enough on the joy of it.

And so trying to show all of it in a way that is respectful and doesn't diminish the fact that certain things exist while also emphasizing that it's not the totality of our experience.

American fiction sort of talks about that in a larger context.

And so you see Beth and Randall in bed and he's talking about eight minutes.

And I think it's ultimately eight plus minutes.

But it's one of those things

And I remember something that I put on the app formerly known as Twitter, and you can say what you need to about this.

I remember I said something like, I don't think anybody would treat a dog like this.

It is the sort of deliberate dehumanization that is oftentimes, even though I live in this world, still somewhat shocking.

You can hear him say, I can't breathe.

You know what I mean?

And you can see other cops being like, should we be?

And that guy, I can't even remember his name, and I don't want to even say it out loud on the podcast.

I was like, what is it that has transpired within your soul that allows one human being to treat another human being so inhumanely?

Well, first of all, I'll say this is like, you don't see them as a human being.

Like you come up with words and things that you attribute to them that allow them to be easily othered so that when you come into contact with them, you don't have to see a reflection of yourself.

You just see something beneath you.