Mara Liasson

Or do you think this is a one-off thing in Minnesota?

Right.

There's no pretense to consistency here.

I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse famously, back in 2020, showed up to a protest in Kenosha, Wisconsin, with a gun.

He ended up shooting three people and two of them died.

He argued it was self-defense.

He was ultimately acquitted.

But he's become a real cause celeb on the right.

But I think that when we live in this political culture of us versus them, everything is domestic terrorist versus patriot.

And it really doesn't matter.

If your side is carrying a gun, that's justified.

And if the other side's guy is carrying a gun, that's unjustified.

I think that's really where we're at.

No.

And his message shifting, that's par for the course.

His message always shifts.

And right now, he seemed in the last day or two, he seemed to want to back off a little bit.

But we don't know what next week is going to look like.

First of all, Ruby Ridge is part of the origin story of the anti-government right.

And you can draw a pretty direct line from the reaction to Ruby Ridge on the right to MAGA and Donald Trump over time.