Marc Caputo
Appearances
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
One of the talking with the sort of the dear leader dynamic. There's a really good history book called The World by Simon Sebig Montefiore. And at the very beginning of it, he points out how potentates throughout history.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah. I mean, not to engage too much in the sort of the Trump world survivor, but yeah, I guess it's sort of down. The betting markets are probably down, are most likely to forecast either Letnick departing or NSA, the national security advisor, Mike Waltz, who is- Which one? Which one? Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, if you're if you're a betting man, you know.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
From my reporting, which I wrote, is there are basically three factors that. combined to have Trump change his mind. Number one, he was hearing from every possible CEO. So was Susie Wiles.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah, correct. And that's there. But the three factors, bottom line, was Besson and Lutnick went in there And certainly with the hope of getting a pause. And so their pitch was, hey, we got 75 countries that want to make a deal now and we don't have the time and staff to do this. Like, let's sort of like, how do you and they didn't say, let's do this. Apparently, they said, what do you want to do?
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Right. Like, because you don't tell Donald Trump what to do, which you present the option to the decision to the choice. Right. You know. So that was one. The second one that was part of it was China is, hey, China came out and disrespected you with raising the tariffs.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And now you have this golden opportunity of doing a pause, making a deal with everyone and isolating China and putting a ring around China. And then the third one, and this is probably not in order if you think about it, was just the bond market and the stock market.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
But really, like the bond traders are still that's still the spine of the being of the vertebrate of the United States and perhaps global financial markets.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
So so it was sort of those three factors. It was not just sort of one person. And no, it wasn't as like Bill Ackman out there pounding away on Twitter like, oh, please. Really? Bill Ackman's tweets didn't have an impact. I'm shocked. They did not. You're talking about it's like coffee plantation or something like, you know, art goes out to you. But, you know.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Trump, what's always interesting about Trump, especially the more time you give him, is while he is not known for telling the truth, is that there is a sodium pentothal quality about Trump. Oh, he always tells you. Correct. You've just got to kind of figure out the reason. He did it yesterday. Yeah, he's like the bond market. Right, he did it yesterday. Oh, it's the bond market.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I mean, I don't know, man. I I mean, you know. What I found interesting over the past week, and I, of all weeks to take off, I took last week off because I had some personal things I had to attend to.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Well, you know, it's always kind of good to be in the flow. But what was notable for me throughout the process here was that this is a team that he has assembled that believes in him. And they weren't sending the words like, oh, my God, because if this were Trump number one, like Trump 1.0, Trump 45 White House, there would have been all these reports about this guy's crazy. This guy's mad.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
This is what he campaigned on, they said, which is not fully true. Donald Trump didn't campaign on the idea like, hey- Trade war with the entire world. Trade war with the entire world. And by the way, you're going to have to swallow some pain here, right? He didn't talk about the tough medicine. No, just the opposite. Right.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I mean, he talked about the Kamala crash, just everything. Hold on for half a second. I got to plug in my computer, if you don't mind, just so that we don't lose power. All right. Fantastic. We're back.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Right. The people who are around him now are either the unconventional picks or true loyalists or people who became true allies who knew what they were getting into.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I don't want to name names, but I'm pretty sure I know who leaked that story to Politico about Besant flying back with Trump flying down there. What was totally left out of the story was that Howard Ludnick was there at Mar-a-Lago with Donald Trump and flew back with Besant and was basically saying the same thing. But you often find this in politics where the lieutenants of the principal are
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Right. Where the cardinals around their little pope hate the other pope so much more than the kind of the rival popes would sort of hate each other, dislike each other. And in in that case, though, it is true that Besant has essentially been elevated more by Trump to be the tariff guy. I think Lutnik is a little too Trumpy for Trump's taste.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And Trump wants more of a cerebral, calm, cool, collective chess player instead of the the sort of more wild man, you know, crazy trader that trader, not traitor, by the way, that. You know, the.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yes and yes. I think so. I think there's more of an orderly process. One of the things I made sure to avoid in the story that I wrote about what sort of led up to Trump putting the pause was everyone in the administration was like, oh, my God, Donald Trump, art of the deal, grand strategist. Like, no, folks, this is Donald Trump sort of. trial and error and experimenting with things in real time.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And I think he had to touch the hot stove a few times to realize like, oh, wow, it really burns.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I mean, that's a real thing. They don't like... Generally speaking, this is where Trump... perhaps is directionally right is that, yeah, the stock market is a global financial issue. This is the globalists. And when you try to do an America first, I'm putting it in air quotes as much as scare quotes.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
When you do an America first policy to import jobs or grow your domestic manufacturing and change the United States economy, the globalists sort of punish you for it.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I think the answer to that is yes, but they're not telling me. So you can sort of hear it in their voice, which is just like, oh, you know, it is what it is. That's sort of the guiding principle.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
That's possibly true, but... Trump feels really strongly about wanting to do this. And you hear when he talks like no other president could do this or would do this. Like, yeah, part of the reason the president would do this is you saw what happened with the stock market. But this is the reality is, is he is he's the captain of the ship as that.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
They're not looking good. And I'm not sure it's going to get much better because in the end, if you want to change the United States into more of a manufacturing society, you have to have manufacturing plants and we really don't have them.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
They don't have that. And, you know, on a more granular level, a good example is wood. Again, they're talking about we have tariffs on Canada now. I live in the southeast. A lot of the construction... Two-by-fours we use here are made out of southern yellow pine, but the Canadian pine is superior wood.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And the reality is, Canada's got a lot more forest and a lot more pine than the United States does. So if you want to kind of grow the United States timber industry, you need to grow treaties. But you can't grow pine trees in three years. Not overnight. Four years, no. You're not doing it overnight. Same thing with building manufacturing plants. It just doesn't happen.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
So it's clear to me... I don't know if he does about that sort of thing.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Donald Trump is surrounded by people who do maybe dear to your point, who are are sort of the bearer of his grudges. And they do remind him of of who wronged him. And so who who reminded him? He didn't even really know who Chris Krebs was. About Chris Krebs. I think he sort of knew who Miles Taylor was, but Krebs is sort of a lesser character.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
But yes, there are people around him who say those sorts of things and sort of remind him. There is always the ongoing effort among his advisors to try to minimize the encounters he has where he has to spend time on grievance stuff. And he kind of focuses more on his day job.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
What I wonder about the investigations that he essentially authorized or called for of Krebs and Taylor is how serious it's going to be. I know Pam Bondi. I've known her for a number of years. She used to be the Florida attorney general. That's not really her style. But then again, this is Kash Patel.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
A name of someone who did keep an enemies list who would be in charge or is going to be in charge of investigating this. So how wholehearted this is going to be is an open question. I don't know what they're going to find.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I think it's a little bit of both, but I do think they're going to get visited. by uh by agents they're and they're gonna have to lawyer up uh a person i know or some people i know from trump 1.0 who got hauled before congress who had to hire lawyers right and and
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
were never charged, are so bitter at what happened that even though what Trump is now doing with Krebs, who really had nothing to do with the Russia stuff,
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Say the truth. Yeah.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And he told there is a faction in Trump world. There are some legitimately aggrieved people who are just out for blood. And that also populates sort of the broader Trump chorus.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I think that's probably more Cash Patel, the keeper.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Blanche and Beauvais. Yeah. Yeah. Those are just people. Remember, Donald Trump wanted loyalists and people he could trust. And Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, really burned the ships to come work for Trump. He left. He had to leave a job from another law firm because law firms would not let their lawyers work for Donald Trump. He basically sold everything, moved to Florida.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
He was all in. And so Blanche has also sort of internalized that same thing of it's us versus them. Yeah. Again, I'm not justifying this.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
So I think it's more I think it's more I think it's more revenge rather than foresight.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
It's like whoever's around. And yes, it does.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Oh, it is slippery. So it is. Yeah. And I think it sends it sends a message. And in addition to that, remember, they're not particularly worried in the broader Trump orbit here about Trump.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
whistleblowers and future lawsuits, because when this president leaves office, every single person who worked for him, whom he likes is going to get a full and complete pardon for everything ever from now until the beginning of time.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Well, I did a story a few weeks ago about how the White House has had to open up. a parallel press shop to handle messaging from HHS because it's been such a mess under Kennedy. And that's largely because he has this loyalist who's been with him this entire time, who has insisted on controlling all things about his messaging and his press. And she's bad at the messaging. Name is Stephanie Speier.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And she has terrible press relations. Her press relations are to not talk to the press. And so the White House has, in many respects, taken over. Now, I don't have any insight into how the measles evolution occurred, but it's pretty clear that over time,
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
what started to cause real problems in the white house was just the bad way in which his administration didn't publicly respond to the measles outbreak. Like these are generally kind of pretty easy things to do. Disasters are, and, and he didn't really follow it. And so the short answer to your question is, is yes, they are. Sort of taking the reins a little more.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And what's interesting with Kennedy is some of his base from the anti-vax and vax. I saw that they got angry at him. How dare you recommend a vaccine that might save lives? And it's not just that. Weldon, Congressman Weldon, the former congressman from Florida, was up to be the head of CDC. And they yanked him.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
There are there are competing stories as to who called for the yanking, by the way, because it is, after all, Trump world.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I can't really tell who's telling the truth, but right.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
But one person led me to believe that the official narrative that, oh, some members of the Senate don't want Weldon there. I was led to believe that that's not the full story. And it's much more sort of complicated than that.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Generally speaking, and I say this at my peril is, you know, for the stories that I have done, I I don't think I have been as lied to as perhaps other people have. in part because I haven't put... Maybe you know who to talk to? That's part of it.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
You just have to also understand there are certain people, if you put them in a position, and this is not limited to this administration, there are certain people you put in a position to lie to you, they're going to lie to you. Correct.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
The ultimate problem in covering Trump is that, is Trump, is you can talk to... the top people who just spoke to him. And they will tell you, hey, look, I've heard X, Y, and Z. And an hour later, you can call back and say, well, from what I'm gathering, it's not X, Y, and Z. It's A, B, and C. And then they will say, well, yeah, maybe that's true.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Just look over the weekend is over the weekend. Like Donald Trump was like, look, no deal, no negotiation, no pause. Right. In one of the kind of great meta examples of the relationship between Trump, the truth, reality, and the media is... There was a social media rumor or a Twitter post that got sort of misconstrued on Monday that Trump was going to... Walter Bloomberg.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah, I'm Mark NBC, right? Mark Politico. Yeah, exactly. Mark Politico. Yeah, but they reported that there was going to be a 90-day pause. Reuters picked it up. Oh, by the way, is that now...
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And that's the thing with Donald Trump and the Trump administration. Things can be simultaneously true and untrue. And it's just so there's just sort of a lot of approximate approximation. And this is what these folks are saying. This is what these folks are saying. And so you have to do the kind of the synthesis between the thesis and the antithesis.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah, I think I think Musk.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I mean, it's still pretty good. But, you know, the cabinet meeting that just ended, Trump made sure to go out of his way to praise how great Elon Musk is. But number one, like the major charge of his work is done, which was to go in there, cause hell, get people fired and shake things up. And then secondly, he's a special government employee. His charge is supposed to end after 120 days.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And, you know, his I think his time has come and he's for this coming series of episodes in the Trump show in this season. I think he's he's going to go out. But that does not mean he's gone from the Trump show. I think he's going to he's going to be a reappearing character.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah. One of the smart things, or maybe it was one of the honest things that Musk's folks had done, I wrote the story at the time, is about 10 days before that election, they put out a memo saying if the Schimel, I think is his name, the candidate for the Wisconsin Supreme Court was more Trumpy, and if we got out the Trump voters, then he would win.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Correct. It wasn't Musk. I mean, but... The Democrats have been bad on a lot of messaging. But one thing they've made sure to do is really kind of go after Musk. And Musk himself is just he's picking fights with Peter Navarro, calling him Peter Retardo on social media. Not a typical thing that I haven't talked to the chief of staff, Susie Wiles, about that.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
But that's not the kind of thing that she would necessarily like. Right.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Correct. But, you know, Elon Musk is a different character. And when you talk to the rest of the staff about it, they'd be like, hey, welcome to Trump world. This is how we play.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I notably in the Wednesday, I'm not sure when this runs cabinet meeting. Marco Rubio is seated at the right hand of the father.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
So the two guys that Donald Trump is in the White House are thrilled with is Rubio and Vance. And they have very similar... Just for their media performances, I assume. Their media performances, they both have the same quality of being able to describe very conservative, very Republican, very MAGA things, which if other people had said it would sound horrifying and deliver in a way. So...
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Both of them are in good stead. That having been said, there is, because it's Trump world, a faction not in the White House, outside of the White House, that doesn't like Marco Rubio, that calls him a neocon and a war pig.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I would I think it's fair to say that Laura is probably more allied with the people who who would like to see someone else in that position. Correct. Yeah. And and what's notable is that some of the firings and the purgings that happened at the National Security Council under Waltz all had ties to Rubio.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
That could be, too. Yeah. And Rubio and Cotton, certainly in the past, were really fellow travelers. More symbiotic. I remember, was it in 2010 or was it 2014? When did Cotton first win? No, it would have been 2012. Cotton won a house in 2012, Senate in 2014. Okay, yeah. So I remember Cotton, yeah, Rubio was leading around Miami, actually, for his initial Senate race.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
So they were very similar at the time. But yeah, Rubio looked very strong. He shot out of the gate with a lot of wins and also implemented that catch and revoke program of finding the homophonics, in quotes.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
They're using AI to do it, too.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
With the Mahmoud Khalil case, maybe because he's a citizen or not a citizen because he had legal permanent residency. But for students here on student visas. I think the law is a little more on the administration side where they can start canceling people.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
It's not borderline thought police stuff. It's very thought police stuff.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
There's an interesting... Last one. Sorry to... Even though you'll cut it out. There's a really interesting case of... A Spanish official who stopped in Miami in like, I don't know, when Reno was the attorney general under Clinton and he had like fifteen thousand dollars in undeclared cash and they didn't know what to do with this guy. And so he's Mexican, actually, was on his way to Spain.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And so Reno or the secretary of state at the time exercised their authority to remove his ability to be in the United States. And Rubio's using that sort of case to hang his hat on his ability to have these powers.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Oh, much. A hundred percent. Yeah.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
No, the Casey DeSantis story. Everyone needs to go read the Miami Herald stories, the Tampa Bay Times stories. Casey DeSantis is probably going to run for governor. And her husband, the governor, with her, had established something called Hope Florida, which was a charity. And it turns out they got a Medicaid company of...
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
healthcare company that had run afoul of the law or overbilled the state to settle with the state. And they diverted $10 million and sent it to Casey DeSantis' charity. and they can't account for the money. It's a nonprofit. There's no 990s. That's the tax form you have to have. There's no evidence of where the money went. So it's just 10 million gone.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And Casey DeSantis, if she runs, and it looks like she will, was gonna run on two things, that she's a mom and a cancer survivor, and that she ran this Hope Florida thing that helped people. And that one issue is now starting to really hurt her because for the first time, her husband, is facing a Republican legislature, which is like, uh-uh, not so fast. What happened to the money?
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Where's the data? Where are the 990s? Where are the forms? It's interesting.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Well, I appreciate it. I think there are some other people, but I'll take the compliment.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Oh, he's a total Florida man. Let's be clear. Yeah, he is now.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Right down to the fact that he's from New York. Right.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
I think you probably hit it on the head. The interesting thing about Lutnik is that he's got so many critics in the administration. And I think a lot of it just boils down to his style. He is this outer borough back-slopping, like, hey, I got to tell you something.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
And and he's got the he's got a lot of these Trump equalities where like like no one knows finance better than I. Now, don't get me wrong or me. I mean, he's a billionaire, self-made man, et cetera. But, you know, in the Trump White House, it's like Highlander, right? There can only be one.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Let's just be clear. Donald Trump has wanted to do this for 30 years or whatever it was when he first talked about running. The reason he had Peter Navarro there was to cook up a formula. And the formula he cooked up, according to every analyst who knows what they're talking about, was just absurd. The columns were wrong, but it gave Trump what he needed. And so Navarro sort of served his purpose.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
But I want to be clear about Lutnick is while I understand all the reporting that's been done about people being annoyed with him and, oh, he went off script and, oh, we did this.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
As of now, and this could change in five minutes between when you post it. As of now, Howard Lutnick is in good stead. I mean, it's basically like him, the Commerce Secretary, and the Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson. And Besson is the leader, but they're operating sort of in tandem. And if Lutnick was really on the outs this way, he wouldn't be on television all the time. And he's on television.
The Chuck ToddCast
Who Takes The Fall For Tariff Disaster? + Trump’s Enemies List
Yeah, he knows and his people know that there are multiple people in and around the administration that don't like him. And even though he's a billionaire, he bought a $30 million house in the D.C. area. And he wants to be able to live in it for more than a few months before he kind of has to go back home.