Marc Ellis

um vigor and commitment to the cause that these fucking racial divides that are being created these days really irk me yeah because we were arm and arm fighting for the rights of south africans yeah yet in new zealand today there doesn't seem to be that same unity yeah um so having protested against that to then be on the first official tour back to south africa 92 was a bit of a um

Bit of a call to arms a bit.

You know, do I go?

Do I, you know, what are my feelings?

Yeah, yeah.

He was... See, the problem was that I was his understudy, so when the All Blacks would train, I'd be the reserve who had to mark him.

So... And I knew when he was going soft because I could tackle him.

Yeah, yeah.

But when...

When he wasn't, he could run around you, he could run over you, or he could sidestep you.

So he had it all.

They never scored a try against South Africa, so that shows something for their tenacity and self-belief.

Yeah.

I don't know, but whatever they did, it bloody worked, you know.

In that 95 World Cup final, I remember I was on because Jeff Wilson was a bit crock.

They beat the wall back, and I whipped a long run out to Wild Little.

And then he whipped one to Jonah and he was free with about 80 meters to go.

But 99.9% of the time he's scoring.

Yeah.

And the ref called a full pass on it.