Marc Ellis

Uh, I mean, it's a bit more confrontational if you're running the ball back from fullback, you've got three guys trying to hit you.

Yeah.

But, um, it was the angles, the angles that you don't learn.

And I didn't ask too many questions in my first year.

And I said to John Mooney at the end of the season, am I doing anything right?

He said, yeah, you just don't have the fucking sideline.

You know, because the sideline's your friend in rugby, which is not so much in league.

Yeah.

But it was the angle.

So I found myself, I was one of the fittest in the team.

I'd be running on the end of a backline movement and the ball would get switched back.

And likewise, so the angles of attack and the angles of defense were nuanced.

Well, yeah, it is.

And then in the set plays, I didn't have a problem with it because I learned that.

But it's when it becomes, you know...

Scatterbox, you know, and you go, right, and that's where you, and then the ball gets shifted backward or forward or behind the ball.

You must have been going pretty good though to make the Kiwis.

Well, you know, many of that was a, you know, marketing ploy to get a few students to watch the game.

I remember going, playing the first, my first game against Great Britain and we were in Palmerston North and

And all the students are going, Alice, Alice, where the fuck is Alice?