Marc Ellis

And he said, pick the one with the skinny legs.

And so, John, you'll be my captain.

We were just in tears rolling down our face, like what coach in the world does, you know, so JL was our captain and he was an amazing player.

You know, he never got bettered by anyone in the New Zealand environment.

And then he obviously went on to,

I don't know whether he captained Scotland, did he not?

Yeah, not sure.

He played very, very well up there.

So he could have easily been a very good All Black.

Yeah.

Good impression too.

There's been one or two kids in my life or younger people who've come and asked for advice, whether it be commercial or sporting or otherwise, but just lie on your back and stare at the blue sky and dream.

I've never met anyone in my life

who's had a dream that they've absolutely wanted that hasn't achieved it.

Yeah.

You name one.

Yeah.

So I believe in manifesting.

I believe if you've got a really positive attitude, if you see the good, if you try to be the best person you can and you aspire to higher ideals, what's the worst that can happen?

Yeah.