Marc J. Dunkelman

Now, there probably was some way to fix it where he could have said, listen, I'll let you take this little portion of the turtle habitat if you buy me a bunch of private land and we'll make that a new turtle, right?

That's why things are so expensive here, right?

Is that we will buy it off, right?

Like, why are things expensive in the US?

It's because each time you find a barrier, there is a way to have it all, but it's expensive, right?

Like, oh, there's an old Indian burial ground

We need to avoid that, or we need to properly move the site to have it reburied.

I mean, there are all sorts of things that we are trying to be conscious of.

We're not making trade-offs.

And we don't have a great system for that.

But between just allowing Robert Moses to run rampant through the South Bronx and destroy a borough of New York City, and on the other hand, doing nothing so that we are millions and millions of units short of housing and unable to take advantage of the clean energy revolution so that we have more

affordable, clean electricity.

And, you know, the Acela train is, you know, running at a third the pace of the TGV and running between Paris and, you know, we're way behind China and Japan.

I mean, like...

we can get this stuff going, but at root, this is a question of, are we willing to make the trade-offs?

And are we willing to create systems that allow us to do that?

I mean, what's so interesting to me, I hear that, and certainly you feel that on the federal level as well, right?

I mean, it feels super weird to me to be a progressive who sees what Donald Trump is doing and finds it horrifying, and then is writing on his little computer, like, I think that we should give the federal government more power and more discretion to make decisions.

I hear myself...

Seeing what's happening, I hear what I'm saying and I can hear people being like, what the fuck are you talking about?