Marc J. Dunkelman

generally seen as bad, like the power broker, which is the takedown of Robert Moses in New York City and reveals that this guy who had remade the landscape of New York City during between the thirties and the sixties had like strangled the city with interstates and like driven the cross Bronx expressway across a borough of New York City and like, you know, left it to be like just sort of the epitome of urban blight and despair.

Like, that book came out right during Watergate, right?

It was sort of a symbol of how the great establishment that had been vested with so much

Uh, we, we, as the American people had vested them with so much, uh, respect for all these decades was wrong.

And like you get to the seventies, like we get things like these people are, are epitomized by like boss hog, right?

Like, I mean, like, like that's the view and we need to take them down so that you get all the cultural references, you know, like, uh,

In network, it's, you know, like, I'm mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore, right?

Like, that's the sort of notion, or even that famous Apple ad from 1984, right, where they take a javelin and –

Someone comes in and there's a bunch of Robert Moses, Richard Daly-looking figures sort of speaking out into the audience, sort of controlling people, and someone comes in and throws... Like, that becomes the ethos.

How are we going to break down the establishment?

And that became the central sort of pillar of progressive thought.

And that downstream of that thinking...

became a whole series of legislative maneuvers designed to box in government.

The Gulliver's Travels image.

I considered that, or someone suggested that to me, as for a cover image of my book.

The sort of notion that government can't move, that you say you want to put up an electric transmission line that would –

connect clean power to the city.

You can't do it.

You want to build a high-speed rail line, you can't do it.

You want to build more housing, you can't do it.