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We're not going to we're going to change this this idea or we're going to cancel this idea.

Yeah.

That last part didn't happen at Apple.

And all of those mistakes, they just made them all and shipped it as Tahoe.

Well, and to be clear, before we let John explode, I'm with you, Casey, in terms of how much it makes me angry.

Like, Tahoe has a lot of little paper cuts for me.

I don't like a lot about Tahoe.

icons and menus are one of those paper cuts, but it's not super high in the list.

It's just, I think it's, it's kind of a microcosm of the design failings in general of the Alan Dye era of software.

It's like, what happens when, when this group of people, principles, trends, whatever it is, whatever came together to form Tahoe.

It's like, what happened here?

You know, there's a lot of failings to investigate, but, but like,

To me, like, the menu icons, again, like, it's not... And I don't think these articles claim that that was, like, the worst thing about Tahoe.

No.

It's just, it shows a... Lack of care.

Yeah, a lack of care and a lack of talent, honestly.

Like, a lack of design talent and a lack of respecting the platform that it's on and that it's redesigning.

Like...

You know, I said I kind of, you know, brashly said a few months back that Alan Dye doged his way through Mac OS with Tahoe.

That is how it feels like, you know, like what did Doge do for the government?