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So if you look at what else can they cut to hit those price points, okay, they're going to start cutting things, like weird stuff that to nerds like us, we'd be like, I don't know if I'd want a phone without that. Or wow, that would be inconvenient to not have that. Things like MagSafe and maybe ultra-wideband, like this kind of thing. But to an average iPhone buyer...

So if you look at what else can they cut to hit those price points, okay, they're going to start cutting things, like weird stuff that to nerds like us, we'd be like, I don't know if I'd want a phone without that. Or wow, that would be inconvenient to not have that. Things like MagSafe and maybe ultra-wideband, like this kind of thing. But to an average iPhone buyer...

That might not matter, and they might just want, you know, just give me the cheapest phone. But, again, I think in the past, the SE line was the cheapest phone, but it was also the phone that lets me not change my habits from the old ways of Touch ID and Home button. Those buyers are now not being served anymore. So they're going to be forced to make a decision among the whole product line.

That might not matter, and they might just want, you know, just give me the cheapest phone. But, again, I think in the past, the SE line was the cheapest phone, but it was also the phone that lets me not change my habits from the old ways of Touch ID and Home button. Those buyers are now not being served anymore. So they're going to be forced to make a decision among the whole product line.

So the only people who are going to buy the SE are people who want the cheapest current model, which is different. I think it partly overlapped that, but partly not. So we'll see how this all works out. But I think...

So the only people who are going to buy the SE are people who want the cheapest current model, which is different. I think it partly overlapped that, but partly not. So we'll see how this all works out. But I think...

most of what i'm seeing here on like what it has versus what it's missing i think they they're all pretty good decisions and i think this is still i think they're all pretty bad decisions honestly no i don't i don't think so i mean the only thing is that i i think in for many people i think buying last year's you know buying the m minus one model the iphone 15 buying it now for 100 bucks more i think that for for many people that will be the better phone but

most of what i'm seeing here on like what it has versus what it's missing i think they they're all pretty good decisions and i think this is still i think they're all pretty bad decisions honestly no i don't i don't think so i mean the only thing is that i i think in for many people i think buying last year's you know buying the m minus one model the iphone 15 buying it now for 100 bucks more i think that for for many people that will be the better phone but

A lot of people just won't care. And the only people who would buy this over that are either people who want to save the $100, which is not a small number of people, but I don't think that's a massive driver because these are all expensive no matter how you look at it. Or people who want Apple intelligence for some reason, but I don't think that's a strong selling point right now either. Right.

A lot of people just won't care. And the only people who would buy this over that are either people who want to save the $100, which is not a small number of people, but I don't think that's a massive driver because these are all expensive no matter how you look at it. Or people who want Apple intelligence for some reason, but I don't think that's a strong selling point right now either. Right.

Well, yeah, their marketing sure sells it as one, but you know, we'll, we'll see.

Well, yeah, their marketing sure sells it as one, but you know, we'll, we'll see.

Yeah, the MagSafe is, I think, one of the weirder ones because not only has it been there since the iPhone 12, but I think, don't most Android phones also support magnetic charging that is MagSafe compatible in recent years also?

Yeah, the MagSafe is, I think, one of the weirder ones because not only has it been there since the iPhone 12, but I think, don't most Android phones also support magnetic charging that is MagSafe compatible in recent years also?

So I feel like people who buy this phone who expect that would probably feel like the phone is broken the first time they try to put it on something magnetic and it just falls off. But that being said... Yeah, especially since it will charge. Like, it does have wireless charging, just the old, bad...

So I feel like people who buy this phone who expect that would probably feel like the phone is broken the first time they try to put it on something magnetic and it just falls off. But that being said... Yeah, especially since it will charge. Like, it does have wireless charging, just the old, bad...

kind yeah but but you know that being said like if you wanted to add magnet charging to this people make like you know eight dollar stickers of magnets on amazon that that yeah like cases can do it but like apple didn't even do it with its own cases like why didn't they put magnets in their own case but they just didn't MagSafe is the kind of thing that you either use all the time or never.

kind yeah but but you know that being said like if you wanted to add magnet charging to this people make like you know eight dollar stickers of magnets on amazon that that yeah like cases can do it but like apple didn't even do it with its own cases like why didn't they put magnets in their own case but they just didn't MagSafe is the kind of thing that you either use all the time or never.

So again, for all the people who are the nevers on that, I don't think they're going to notice or care.

So again, for all the people who are the nevers on that, I don't think they're going to notice or care.