Marco Arment

Yeah.

Right.

It's like, yeah, like all doctors are the same, right?

Yeah.

I have a problem with my foot.

They're my podiatrists too.

They're just the head of doctor.

Just this one doctor, since they're good at this one kind of doctoring, can obviously do all kinds of doctoring, right?

Because it's all the same.

Right, and I think that's what I want to see change.

And that's what gives me hope with Stephen LeMay being elevated because it does sound, by all accounts, that he is more of the traditional UI design kind of person.

And we haven't really had a lot of that in Apple's software design leadership.

really since forestall left it isn't to say that they haven't put in any good software design since um in particular i think i think as as ios 7 kind of evolved and morphed i think somewhere around the ios 12 to 15 era it got pretty good like that was actually a really good era of of ios software design the mac i think has had a lot of problems for

Right, exactly.

Whereas, because, you know, because again, like, with the Mac, as we've talked about many times in the show,

Apple doesn't really put the resources into the Mac that they put into iOS.

And you can understand why, obviously.

That's an understandable reason why they would do that.

So what tends to happen on the Mac is whatever they need to do for iOS, the Mac kind of gets a half-assed version that doesn't have as many resources.

it's being applied to a kind of a more complex, more heavily legacy code base and, and software library and, and just a larger surface area in terms of like the needs it has to cover.