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Yeah, it seems like it's the same camera that's in the current base model 16. It just doesn't have the ultra-wide. And so you can't do things that require two cameras, and you can't do macro, because that's actually done by the ultra-wide. So it's the 1X camera from the iPhone 16 non-pro, which I think is, again, like... For something that replaces the iPhone SE, that's a great pick.

Yeah, it seems like it's the same camera that's in the current base model 16. It just doesn't have the ultra-wide. And so you can't do things that require two cameras, and you can't do macro, because that's actually done by the ultra-wide. So it's the 1X camera from the iPhone 16 non-pro, which I think is, again, like... For something that replaces the iPhone SE, that's a great pick.

It is, you know, as you mentioned, though, I think it's important to distinguish that the iPhone SE was a lot cheaper than this. So it isn't quite directly replacing that.

It is, you know, as you mentioned, though, I think it's important to distinguish that the iPhone SE was a lot cheaper than this. So it isn't quite directly replacing that.

yeah it does yeah you know it's nice and smooth and simple yeah can i say by the way on this point like the rumors that we have of the 17 pro like big camera bar i think look hideous like i hope the rumors are wrong on that but we're getting close enough to it in the timeline that i'm fearing that they might be right i mean that's pixel phones have been like that and so many other phones have been like that for ages i think it's unavoidable i think the devil's in the details now and we'll see how it looks but

yeah it does yeah you know it's nice and smooth and simple yeah can i say by the way on this point like the rumors that we have of the 17 pro like big camera bar i think look hideous like i hope the rumors are wrong on that but we're getting close enough to it in the timeline that i'm fearing that they might be right i mean that's pixel phones have been like that and so many other phones have been like that for ages i think it's unavoidable i think the devil's in the details now and we'll see how it looks but

Apple's obviously, I think, in a mode now where I can't see them selling any products that don't support Apple intelligence from this point forward. That seems like that's baseline.

Apple's obviously, I think, in a mode now where I can't see them selling any products that don't support Apple intelligence from this point forward. That seems like that's baseline.

Right, and the reality is, so far... Apple Intelligence is not very compelling. And so far, it's the kind of thing that, yeah, if you can get it, cool, but I wouldn't pay extra for a product based on today's Apple Intelligence features just for that support alone. But obviously... That's not what Apple has in mind.

Right, and the reality is, so far... Apple Intelligence is not very compelling. And so far, it's the kind of thing that, yeah, if you can get it, cool, but I wouldn't pay extra for a product based on today's Apple Intelligence features just for that support alone. But obviously... That's not what Apple has in mind.

And when they were making these kind of decisions of like what chip is going to go in this product, they made those decisions probably a year and a half, two years ago. So at that time, they probably thought by this date, Apple intelligence is going to be so big and so important and so good with all these different features that it's going to be a really compelling thing.

And when they were making these kind of decisions of like what chip is going to go in this product, they made those decisions probably a year and a half, two years ago. So at that time, they probably thought by this date, Apple intelligence is going to be so big and so important and so good with all these different features that it's going to be a really compelling thing.

And the reality is, it's been hard, and it's probably been off-track and under-delivered and over-promised. But two years ago, they probably did think, by this date in 2025, it's going to be so compelling, everyone's going to want it. And their marketing seems to suggest they still think that. And maybe someday we'll get there. We're not there now. So...

And the reality is, it's been hard, and it's probably been off-track and under-delivered and over-promised. But two years ago, they probably did think, by this date in 2025, it's going to be so compelling, everyone's going to want it. And their marketing seems to suggest they still think that. And maybe someday we'll get there. We're not there now. So...

Right now in the release, this seems like a weird trade-off, but maybe two years ago and maybe one year from now, it'll seem more logical.

Right now in the release, this seems like a weird trade-off, but maybe two years ago and maybe one year from now, it'll seem more logical.

Right?

Right?

My theory on that? Teenagers. Yeah. My theory is that teenagers will not let their parents get them the boring black and white phone. They'll push them for the higher one. And they can't push them into the pro territory.

My theory on that? Teenagers. Yeah. My theory is that teenagers will not let their parents get them the boring black and white phone. They'll push them for the higher one. And they can't push them into the pro territory.