Margaret Kiljoy

yeah do you want to talk about the worst things that ever happened to you do you want to talk about uh you and i we did another episode on my other podcast um live like the world is dying talking about how to survive prison and in it you talked a little bit about what was necessary to kind of stand up for trans prisoners do you want to talk about that a little bit

You have to. Like, you have to live your ethics. One of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you about it and have you on this show is because, unfortunately, I mean, prison is kind of a concentration of the worst parts of society. I do not want to say the worst people in society.

You have to. Like, you have to live your ethics. One of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you about it and have you on this show is because, unfortunately, I mean, prison is kind of a concentration of the worst parts of society. I do not want to say the worst people in society.

You have to. Like, you have to live your ethics. One of the reasons that I wanted to talk to you about it and have you on this show is because, unfortunately, I mean, prison is kind of a concentration of the worst parts of society. I do not want to say the worst people in society.

I believe it has much more to do with the incarceration and the way that people are forced to be, right, when they're incarcerated. There's a tangent. But have you heard the whole thing where there's no such thing as an alpha male wolf in the wild? I've only heard it from you and I loved it. Okay, I probably said this exact same thing last time we talked. Just in case. Yeah.

I believe it has much more to do with the incarceration and the way that people are forced to be, right, when they're incarcerated. There's a tangent. But have you heard the whole thing where there's no such thing as an alpha male wolf in the wild? I've only heard it from you and I loved it. Okay, I probably said this exact same thing last time we talked. Just in case. Yeah.

I believe it has much more to do with the incarceration and the way that people are forced to be, right, when they're incarcerated. There's a tangent. But have you heard the whole thing where there's no such thing as an alpha male wolf in the wild? I've only heard it from you and I loved it. Okay, I probably said this exact same thing last time we talked. Just in case. Yeah.

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

And, and so it's like, it obviously is going to bring out the worst in people. The, one of the reasons I want to have you want to talk about this is because I think that the experiences that you're talking about, they're much more real and intense than most people on the outside are like really thinking. They're like, oh, that sounds bad.

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

But then their brain kind of turns off and they stop imagining what bad looks like. And I think that this idea that we're going to have to stand up for our ethics regardless of the risk and cost to ourselves sometimes is what it takes to create a society that is resistant to fascism. I think it's the same energy that people are gonna have to do with like, no, you can't take my neighbors, right?

In the era of ICE.

In the era of ICE.

In the era of ICE.

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah, I really like that way of phrasing it. Yeah, we can't forfeit the future. How can people support trans prisoners with what's going on right now? I don't know how in touch you are with people on the inside and things like that. How are people feeling? Like, what's the vibe? What can be done?

Yeah. I mean, you actually kind of have said what people on the inside can do already, which is necessary and important, but people on the outside, what can people do?