Mariana van Zeller

But I find it so, he actually traveled to Australia at one point thinking he was gonna meet the people that owed him money.

I mean, he actually was completely scammed.

And this is like the head of a bank.

The head of a fucking bank.

It's fucking crazy.

These guys are so good.

It's bananas.

Don't be mean.

Well, he's in prison now.

But I think more than greed, I think it's the acceptance that you have lost all that money.

And that must weigh so heavily on you.

If you have – if you're about to foreclose your home, if you'd sent all the money from your kids' college funds, if –

Yeah, but even the banker.

I mean, but even the banker.

He sent all his, initially it was all his money.

I don't think, I think it got to a point that he was swindled and made to believe that if he gives more money, he would get the money that he initially invested back.

And he would be able to put back the $45 million that he gave, he stole from his customers.

Oh, boy.

I think the realization, and this is something that I know from talking to so many scamming victims, it's not so much about wanting to make that money.

It's the realization that you've been talking to somebody that's not real and that you have been so swindled.