Mariana van Zeller

People think I'm an adrenaline junkie.

Not at all.

I don't do it for the adrenaline.

I really, I'm very curious.

I think as a journalist, if you tell you there's a part of the world that you can never see, that's exactly where you want to go.

I also find these black markets fascinating.

That's like something like half of the world's economy are these black and gray markets.

Half of the world's economy is black and gray markets?

Almost half.

I mean, less, but it's like these black and gray markets.

And gray markets can be anything from people selling counterfeit goods or anything that's basically not legal or cash, like gray markets, basically cash in hand and you're not actually working in an office.

Yeah.

So, yeah, so it's a lot.

And no one knows anything about these worlds.

And I'm fascinated not by the pointing of the finger of these guys are the bad guys and we're spending time with the bad guys, but more about what is the motivation and how is the system broken that got us to this place?

Because, again, it's trying to figure out the root cause instead of the enforcement side of it.

Yeah, it is crazy.

And I think this is the only show that is devoted only to black markets out there.

No, there's no control whatsoever going south, only coming north.

Which is wild.