Mariana van Zeller

They were just dopes.

I don't know enough about that case.

But I would say, the only thing I would say is that there is some responsibility.

I mean, they can be dummies, but that's not self-defense for not being found guilty of committing a crime.

Right.

The same thing happened right after 9-11, right?

All these people were –

contacted by undercover agents who pretended to be jihadists.

And said, let's join our plot to bomb da-da-da.

And all these people said yes, but it wasn't their plan.

I do wonder, is there something that we don't know?

Is it possible that the, is it, I mean, what led them to that kid or to those people that were wanting to kidnap the governor?

Like, is it, were there any pre-planning?

Maybe they knew that they were doing something and in order to catch them, they had to sort of give them a little bit of fuel or...

It is a difficult, I have to say, and I'm playing the devil's advocate here, but if you're law enforcement and you're constantly being accused of showing up after the crime happens, if you're trying to prevent crime, then that's what you do.

You're monitoring chat groups and trying to figure out how you can stop this from happening.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

They are like everybody else, but they should be held to a higher standard.

Right.