Mariana van Zeller

And we've got ESPN and all these big companies making money from it.

But I agree that the problem is not that you're making money from the betting, but then knowing that gambling is a problem and that there is addiction, then you should be able – you have to.

It is your responsibility to set aside some money to try to figure out how to address the problem of addiction in gambling.

Portland I don't think is a good example because they also didn't have the safety net.

So that's what I usually say.

Keep Portland weird.

The Hidden Third.

It's on YouTube, on youtube.com slash Mariana Van Zeller.

And we've got two episodes already that premiere this week.

And it's a weekly podcast.

New episodes all the time.

And you can also get it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

I do.

This past year was crazy.

Yeah.

We just had season four come out, and it's my favorite season for many reasons, but also because it was quite the adventure.

Well, it ended with a military coup in Africa where my team and I got stuck.

So that was sort of a kickoff to all of it.

It was in Niger, so it's in the Sahel region of Africa.

The U.S.