Mariana van Zeller

Oh, yeah.

And saw them, like, picking out parts of a body.

Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, shit that you didn't think existed, but it does.

No, I'm not afraid of ghosts.

Yes, perhaps.

The ones we found were telling us that they were doing it with immigrants, which is very sad.

immigrants that were trying to come during the journey to make it to the U.S., and so the most desperate and vulnerable people.

And we spent time with a cartel in Colombia and then in Mexico, and they were saying, yeah, they're going out to even, like, homeless camps with immigrants and

in all parts of Mexico.

It's very, very hard to prove that what they're saying is right.

We interviewed a guy called The Wrecker.

He calls himself The Wrecker.

He works for this cartel, the Gulf cartel in Colombia, and he basically told us the most horrific story.

Like, he's in charge of basically killing people and gathering all the stuff, the organs and all that, with a doctor that comes that they pay.

But it was one of those interviews that when he left, I was like, oh,

I'm not sure how much of this is actually true.

And I talk about it on camera and talk about how it's so hard to verify.

But then we went to Mexico and actually interviewed a doctor who was basically threatened by the cartel if he didn't do some of these operations.