Mariana van Zeller

They don't give you food in prison?

They give you, like, a really bad porridge once a day or something like that, not something that's any good for your health.

And he has diabetes and has a bunch of other.

So they hire this woman to cook food and bring him to prison every day.

It's so crazy, right?

And abandoned by your government.

Like no one's doing anything.

At least that's my, yeah.

And realizing that this is actually big and it's happening all around.

I'm very, very optimistic.

Very optimistic about the world.

But it's not because when you're able to sit down with a cartel member or a scammer in the Philippines or all these people that I meet around the world and I'm able to find humanity in them, I'm able to find commonalities between me and him, I'm able to see that if this person in the majority of cases was given other opportunities that he wouldn't be the person he turned out to be.

That shows me that it's not entirely humanity that's broken.

It's the system.

It's the systems that we human beings have created.

But the accountability at the end of the day lies in the people of power, the people that are able to make a difference in that system and not in the drug dealers or the coyotes, smugglers or the scammers, you know.

Absolutely.

It's always the most vulnerable people.

Nobody is born wanting to be a criminal, right?

You are put in that position, and that's what I see again and again.