Mariana van Zeller

I'm like, I never showed up.

And then finally we get a call and he's like, actually.

That was a decoy.

And we are in another state that you're not allowed to disclose, but come and meet us here.

So then we had to do like a company move to this next place and just hope that they'd be there.

Sometimes happens when we film in Sinaloa that happens all the time where they tell us one place and then they don't show up or we know that they have eyes on the ground checking us out immediately.

Sometimes it's not so much about us journalists is because they don't know it.

Even if they trust us, they don't know if we're being followed, particularly me and the kind of work that I do.

What I usually say is that it's not as if law enforcement doesn't know where these people are.

It's not as if the whole of Mexican authorities don't know where the Sinaloa cartel is.

It's more that it's law enforcement.

They have to catch them in the act.

There has to be evidence.

There has to be a case built.

And not so much in the case of Sina Law, but here in the United States, at least, I don't think it's in their interest to follow me.

But I do get often asked by law enforcement agencies in the U.S.

to go and speak at conferences about what I've learned.

That's interesting.

One of the things I tell always is that we're very, very careful with protecting our sources.

So we even bring masks with us.