Mariana van Zeller

These are crazy numbers.

And so it's not so out of the box to think that, yeah, this is a large percentage of our economy.

Yes, but it was also on the show.

I think the harder part is that on the show, we figured out a way of how to make them comfortable because I would go to them, right?

On the podcast, it's harder to convince an active trafficker or smuggler to come and sit down in my office.

So, yeah.

So, you know, a lot of times the meetings that we had on the show happened in undisclosed locations in vans, for example.

or in places that they felt comfortable with, their drug labs or their drug houses or their homes sometimes.

So this has been a little bit harder, but we're making it work.

We're hoping that it grows so then we actually have money to start traveling more and going to some of these places.

I've always wanted to do it, and I tried.

We had done an iteration of it a couple of years ago, but I just didn't have the time because I was traveling half the year or more for traffic, so it was really hard to do a weekly podcast.

It was almost impossible.

But I spent so much time talking to people who have really interesting backgrounds, and then we use only five minutes of their interview, if that.

And these are fascinating people that, again—

The footage?

Yes.

I mean, yes.

If it's owned by National Geographic, it's owned by National Geographic.

Oh, you have no idea.