Mariana van Zeller

It's partly why I've now started this podcast on YouTube is because I know it's a place that I can keep doing, if it grows, and I hope it will, doing the kind of reporting that I do that I don't have to depend on a Disney or as much as I thank Disney and National Geographic for having me all these years.

It is really important to be able to do independent journalism and not be...

And be told what you can and cannot do.

It is crucial for the health and survival of our democracy.

So YouTube is actually an amazing platform for that.

Or just by perpetuating these lies, I will keep my fan base, even if I know that is a lie.

I don't even think it's like they're being paid to say this.

I think that they get their audience and their followers and paid that way.

Oh, they're definitely not the most nuanced thinkers.

Or willing even to entertain.

Right.

But that's exactly it.

Absolutely.

Fill it out.

I think it's a comfortable it's a much more comfortable way of living to believe that there's bad people and then you're the good part.

Right.

And there's that other side and you're on this side.

You're on the good side.

Right.

Which is interesting.