Mariana van Zeller

So even when people say, yes, but you can't do it illegally, you're wrong.

It is legal to do so, coming in with no papers and asking for asylum.

You have to be a victim of persecution, whether it's, you know, violence, rape, political.

What are the five things?

It's like, Jamie, can you look this up?

It's political, religious, political, religious.

There's like five reasons why people can be persecuted.

And so they came to the West.

They immediately started applying for asylum.

And there's 11 million cases backlogged right now of people asking for asylum.

Oh, I don't think that's that.

I think that number is highly exaggerated.

Worse than that, even worse than going to the Home Depot is the case of Estelle and Rory, where they were going to check in on their procedures at the courthouse.

And when they went to check on how their asylum case was going, they were detained.

They had been living here for several years.

The daughter is now a star athlete, amazing student.

But wait, even worse.

So they are deported back to Guatemala, taken.

Like their family didn't even know where they were.

They were taken.