Mark Berman

And people have also found that interacting with nature can be really helpful for kids with ADHD.

that brief interactions with nature, like 20 minutes walk in nature, can be as beneficial as a dose of Ritalin.

So I think the research is definitely not there yet in terms of having interactions with nature be a replacement for any validated forms of therapy for depression and anxiety.

But I do think there's already becoming evidence and

doctors are already starting to take this work seriously, that interactions with nature could be a supplement to existing therapies for like depression and anxiety.

Right.

Unfortunately, there is a correlation between socioeconomics and access to green space.

And you see that in a lot of cities in the U.S., for example.

And, you know, there's a lot of different reasons why that might be the case.

And even people have found that

you know, redlined neighborhoods have less green space and less biodiversity than non-redlined neighborhoods.

So there's deep historical reasons for a lot of this.

The air might be cleaner in wealthier neighborhoods.

There's likely less pollutants in wealthier neighborhoods than poor neighborhoods.

And I think it's sort of an environmental justice issue that this isn't just a nice thing

amenity that wealthy people have.

This is something fundamental to all humans that we need to have access to these natural spaces.

And if we don't have it, people are going to suffer.

I had a job offer in New Jersey as a professorship.

You know, they're very hard to come by.