Mark Berman

Yes, I think that's a very powerful concept that Lisa is bringing up.

And I think one thing that we sort of forget about as humans is that we evolved in nature and evolved

the world that we've kind of constructed right now is pretty new and pretty artificial.

I like to joke with people that there are no straight lines in nature.

You know, humans invented straight lines.

And we live kind of in this straight line, boxy world.

And I think we kind of distance ourselves from nature and from this environment that we evolved in.

And I think

When we go back into nature, we feel this comfort, possibly because those are environments that we evolved in and that we spent most of our evolutionary history in.

Many cultures, like many indigenous cultures, really understood and valued nature and really understood nature.

As we've built a world...

to house people efficiently and move goods efficiently, we've kind of distanced ourselves from our home environment.

And I think now we maybe need to take a moment and think, you know, actually we've become too divorced from nature and that we need to really bring nature back into our lives at a very, very big scale.

It's an interesting idea.

I think humans do naturally do a lot of anthropomorphizing of the natural world.

And Allison or Randy or Anjali, in their intense grief, maybe it kind of opened people, their eyes a little bit to see the natural world in maybe a different way.

I remember I had my tree in Barton Park,

In Ann Arbor, a big, big oak tree that I, you know, I kind of used to talk to a little bit.

But whenever I had some troubles or things that were really bothering me, I did like to walk in Barn Park and walk by that tree.

And that tree seemed like it had a lot of wisdom.