Mark Bittman

It's often inexpensive, although even that, it's not as cheap as it used to be.

I mean, they have to find rent that they can afford, but what gets sacrificed is their bodies because they're exploiting themselves in a way and their relatives and whoever, you know.

I mean...

Look, it's one thing to mistreat workers who are coming hoping for a decent job.

It's another thing to mistreat your nephew or your mother or whatever, which is like what people do in a mom-and-pop restaurant.

They're exploiting themselves.

It's hard work.

It's really hard work.

It's really hard work.

We were just sort of in our neighborhood admiring these people who were like,

In midtown Manhattan, running mom-and-pop restaurants, like, how are you people doing this?

The hours, you know, it's like 10 in the morning until 12 at night.

God, yeah.

The crowds and then the lack of certainty, the whole thing, it's really hard.

I think it's one thing if it's you.

It's like I'm opening a bakery.

I'm going to.

Right.

I know.

It's another thing when it's a business.