Mark Bittman

It's not an easy life for a lot of people, but public health has made advances, longevity, et cetera, et cetera.

The world is probably a safer and better place than it was for most people, especially given that we're now supporting, what is it, 8 billion people or whatever the number is.

When I was a kid, it was 3 billion.

That's a lot more people.

That's a lot more people.

I think if you look at food, there's a reason to be hopeful, but there's really a reason to think, God, this is bad.

Yeah.

Well, I do think people are more conscious of the fact that –

that food needs to recover from this place that it's been forced into, this really bad situation.

And I think more and more people recognize that.

More and more people who are working on that, your sister, the people my partner works with, the people I work with, people are saying, look,

We can't right now.

It's very hard to change policy right now because of the federal situation.

But we can set up models for how things ought to look when they look better.

And people are doing that.

So there is reason to be hopeful.

It's just not fast moving.

And I think.

You know, we're not going to unpack the mysteries of the universe here, but, you know, if we're lucky, we have 50, 60 years as adults who have functioning mentalities, and things change slowly.

Yeah.