Mark Changizi

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The Jordan B. Peterson Podcast · 502. Angry and Red: Color as Emotion | Mark Changizi · 28 Nov 2024 podcast

And what's usually, though, there that's not there on the web is full, rich, socio-emotional interactions that are allowing you to go through your day. Yeah, you're embodied. Yeah, you're really able to get along well, I think, because all of your emotional expressions are there. I think that online— And, well, and your habits, too.

No doubt, no doubt. But then, and let me give you an example online where things work terribly. Unlike X or Twitter, where we typically don't know people in real life. In Facebook, everybody, you kind of know who they are, like, at least back in the day, you know that that's Doug's friend, that you, whatever, that you kind of have some idea who these people are in real life.

And people are even meaner on Facebook. It's one or other than these little comment arguments. They're just vicious and vile. And they're so mean, even though they know each other. I think that what's I think that really what matters in both of these worlds is having some notion of identity that extends over time and you need to be able to socio-emotionally express yourself as best you can.

So on Twitter, I think really what matters is pseudonyms are fine. You know, I can't say it's pseudonymity.

They're stable. You know, some of the best accounts are these folks. Once you've built up 1,000 or 10,000 or 100,000, it takes years to get to this point. You've got a voice. No one knows who they are, but they don't want to lose their account.

They're an individual in that world.

And that's true, right, yeah. They're real people as far as they're concerned. They really have something.

Yeah, often these people are nobodies in real life. And they, I mean, they could well have... be jobless, living in their parents' base. Who knows? No one knows, but they've got something really good to say as far as their followers are concerned, and they care, and they have a lot to lose if they were to start saying things that ruin their reputation and they lose their followers.

So I think that what's important is that continuity over time, and pseudonyms are fine. It's the anonymous folks. It's not anonymity that's fine.

And frankly, 99% of the people who have their real names are, I don't really know if it's real names. I'm never going to meet them in real life. It's so abstract that it's academic. Really what matters is their identity there. Even their real name there amounts to a pseudonym, as far as I'm concerned, practically speaking.

Yeah, I mean, the folks that have, you know, let's just say a dozen followers, they certainly have very little to lose because they can just restart a new account, and for some reason they... If those 12 followers stop following them, it's like, screw it, I'm going to start over again.

But they're a lot like the town drunk, for example. They could cause a lot of havoc, and they can enter into conversations that sort of cause havoc. But no one really would be listening to them. I suppose you could argue that they're getting their... They're getting to say something with the same status as somebody else with a lot of followers right there in the stream. Yes, that's the issue.

And that may not even be true. It could be that Musk has it so that often when they're just not even visible and say there's more and you've got to click it and then it opens up some others that it is suspicious whether you even want to hear.

So they may be doing some mechanisms that hide the very low reputation, low follower count folks, which is probably a good idea at some point because you need to have these people earn their – earn your way to being listened, worth listening to, right?

So I think there's that and a thousands of other issues in terms of how to optimize social networks and public squares. given that it's no longer, you know, 100 people in your village or maybe 500 people in your village or kind of high school.

So there's been an evolution towards that. Like, you know, now in the last three or four or five years, you can do different kinds of emotional expressions on Facebook. You can choose to laugh or smile. There's a lot of these, you can just respond not just with a like or not like, and even a like is effectively an emotional expressive response.

And we manage just in the prose that we use, of course, we're using constantly emotional responses that amount to an emotional response, even if you don't think of it as much. You're either showing confidence in yourself or disdain in the other. These are emotional expressions because you're staking or pulling off stake.

Almost at all times, that's how you show confidence to real people, not p-values. We do it through staking stuff. That's how we do it. So the way that hopefully the designers don't need to fix it.

In real life, the public square has local spots where people, let's say, in their local village argue, and then maybe the best couple of them go to the bigger city, and they argue with other people from different villages in the big city. And these are just – and then some – it ends up hierarchical, the public square in the old days. Yeah.

And in principle, if you look at the hierarchy that happened organically through something like Twitter, I think you're going to see similar kinds of hierarchies. Well, I think you do. I think you do already. So it self-organizes so that it's not just a bunch of everybody talking to everybody, right?

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