Mark Dubowitz

And yet, despite the fact Scott doesn't have love for the Ayatollah, and I agree with him, and I think he's being sincere, in every discussion that we've had on every topic, it's always about everyone's lying except the Ayatollah in Iran.

He's not lying about having a nuclear weapons program.

He didn't actually support all of these terrorist organizations that he founded, financed, and supported to kill Americans.

It wasn't the Ayatollah in Iran.

He's not lying about his deception campaign against the United States.

He's not lying about

negotiations with the Americans.

It's the Americans' fault all the time.

So he's presented all the time in Scott's conception here as a sincere actor who doesn't want to develop nuclear weapons, who doesn't actually want to kill Americans.

He's just always a victim of American and Israeli aggression.

I think it's an interesting conception.

I think let's talk about it.

And I mean, I'm fascinated by the conception because

It's very contrary to mine, obviously.

It's very contrary to, I think, decades of overwhelming evidence that the Islamic Republic has been war with the United States since 1979.

And I don't take too much stock in what people say.

I take stock in what they do.

So death to America, death to Israel could just be a slogan.

It could be just propaganda.

But when it's actually operationalized,