Mark Dubowitz

that were being used to develop the capability for nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons are the greatest danger to humanity.

I totally agree with Scott.

I think a world without nuclear weapons, the kind of world that Reagan envisioned and others have envisioned since, is really the only way we can eliminate the most devastating weapons that could end humankind.

But we have to make sure that those weapons don't end up in the hands of regimes that seek to do us harm and that have done us harm over many, many decades.

So, yeah, I mean, deterrence, peace through strength, rules-based order.

The foundation for defense of democracies is not the foundation for promotion of democracy.

We don't believe in this important concept that we have to promote democracy around the world.

I'll speak for myself because we have many people at my think tank.

We're 105 people.

We have different views.

I don't personally believe that it is the role of the United States to bring democracy to the Middle East or democracy around the world.

I think to the extent we've tried, we've failed.

I'm not sure the Middle East is ready for democracy.

Now, Iran is interesting because it's not an Arab country.

It is a different country.

country altogether culturally.

It's a very sophisticated country.

It has a long history.

It actually has a history where it has had democracy in the past.