Mark Dubowitz

I'm going to segue into an answer because I think it deserves an answer.

A military-industrial complex is a serious concern.

Because I think you're right there, you know, the bigger it gets and the more weapons you have, you think the more the greater the temptation to use it.

Right.

I think that's sort of the argument.

And then there's also self-enrichment and how much money can be made.

And all of that, I think, is of serious concern to people.

Look, I think Trump is somebody who it's hard pressed to say that Donald Trump is a great advocate of the military industrial complex or that he is.

He is in their pocket the same way that he's in the pocket of the Israelis and in the pocket of the Saudis and in the pocket of everybody.

I mean, I think the one thing with Trump is that Trump has he has learned the lessons of American engagement over the past few decades.

And I think Scott's done a good job of kind of laying out the mistakes that have been made, even though, you know, we can discuss about causal connections and who's responsible.

And, you know, I lean on we I want to.

Well, Scott, can I finish this?

Because your causal connection is always, it's America aggressing, Israel aggressing, and all these poor people responding to us.

But nonetheless, I think Trump has, he's learned the lessons, but he hasn't over-learned the lessons.

He's not paralyzed by Iraq.

or Afghanistan or the mistakes made by his predecessors.

He understands that at the end of the day, we need serious American power.

We need lethal power.

We need forward deterrence.