Mark Dubowitz

I'm not a Ukraine expert.

I'm sitting in front of two people who know a lot more about that conflict than I do.

You are, we should say, banned by Putin.

I am.

I have been sanctioned by Russia and by Iran.

Sanctioned, yes.

Yes, banned, sanctioned, threatened.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Well, it causes some difficulties.

But anyway, I think the answer to that is that...

For Putin, he needs to understand that, like Khamenei, he has two options here.

Option one, which President Trump has signaled over and over and over again, is come sit down and negotiate a ceasefire with the Ukrainians.

I don't want to get into the details and the back and forth about who's responsible for the fact there's no ceasefire, Putin or Zelensky.

I mean, that's a whole other debate.

And I'm sure you guys have a lot of opinions on that.

But path one is sit down and let's negotiate a ceasefire.

Path two is the United States will use American power.

in order to build our leverage so that Vladimir Putin understands that he has to do a ceasefire.

Now, I'm not suggesting US troops, absolutely not.