Mark Dubowitz

But I don't think he's sending the message...

to the Iranians and he needs to send it to Putin is, if you don't take me up on my offer, I've already demonstrated that I am serious and I will use American power carefully and selectively in the way that I've done in the past.

It's interesting.

I mean, I think it's interesting.

Philosophically.

You know, libertarianism or colonization.

Or isolationism in practice.

I mean, I think the 30s are more interesting to me than what happened between 39 and 45.

I think the debate in America was very interesting in the 30s, where there was really a strong isolationist movement, you know, with Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford and Father Coughlin and many.

Joe Kennedy.

Yeah, Joe Kennedy.

I mean, they defined themselves as sort of America firsters.

But it was very much an isolationist strain.

And I think we can talk about that history.

And Coughlin was a new dealer, not a right winger.

Anyway, very much an isolationist talking about America having to stay out these entangling alliances.

This is not our war.

Emotionally understandable, right?

Because you can also overlearn the lessons of World War I, right?

And I think they overlearned the lessons of World War I, I mean, which was a brutal war and a devastating war, mostly for Europe, but obviously for the United States, we lost thousands of American men and women.