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Mark Follman

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The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

He's like, oh, I can be an assassin who kills a really important global figure. I'm going to do that, too. That's part of the psychology of what goes on with assassins and with shooters. And then this manifested again almost a decade later with a guy named Robert Bardo who killed a famous young TV actress in Hollywood, Rebecca Schaefer. He also had a copy of Catcher in the Rye with him.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

He's like, oh, I can be an assassin who kills a really important global figure. I'm going to do that, too. That's part of the psychology of what goes on with assassins and with shooters. And then this manifested again almost a decade later with a guy named Robert Bardo who killed a famous young TV actress in Hollywood, Rebecca Schaefer. He also had a copy of Catcher in the Rye with him.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

So he was paying attention to this behavior too. And this is all about what the field of threat assessment calls identification behavior. Essentially like, I can be like that guy. I want to be like that guy. Now, the question of why a person feels that way or how they get to that point is much bigger and more complicated in all these cases. But that's the basic explanation of what that's about.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

So he was paying attention to this behavior too. And this is all about what the field of threat assessment calls identification behavior. Essentially like, I can be like that guy. I want to be like that guy. Now, the question of why a person feels that way or how they get to that point is much bigger and more complicated in all these cases. But that's the basic explanation of what that's about.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

So he was paying attention to this behavior too. And this is all about what the field of threat assessment calls identification behavior. Essentially like, I can be like that guy. I want to be like that guy. Now, the question of why a person feels that way or how they get to that point is much bigger and more complicated in all these cases. But that's the basic explanation of what that's about.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

And we see that with school shooters now in the more current era, right? Like looking or acting or sounding like a Columbine guy or Elliot Rodger or other cases that have followed it. What's the common denominator here? They all got a lot of attention, high profile cases, tons of kind of sensational media coverage.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

And we see that with school shooters now in the more current era, right? Like looking or acting or sounding like a Columbine guy or Elliot Rodger or other cases that have followed it. What's the common denominator here? They all got a lot of attention, high profile cases, tons of kind of sensational media coverage.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

And we see that with school shooters now in the more current era, right? Like looking or acting or sounding like a Columbine guy or Elliot Rodger or other cases that have followed it. What's the common denominator here? They all got a lot of attention, high profile cases, tons of kind of sensational media coverage.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That's something else that I've focused on in my writing too about this issue over the years is the way that the media covers this and pays attention to shooters. That can be very tricky because we sensationalize it at our own peril. You can see it in the case evidence. These people are paying attention.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That's something else that I've focused on in my writing too about this issue over the years is the way that the media covers this and pays attention to shooters. That can be very tricky because we sensationalize it at our own peril. You can see it in the case evidence. These people are paying attention.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

That's something else that I've focused on in my writing too about this issue over the years is the way that the media covers this and pays attention to shooters. That can be very tricky because we sensationalize it at our own peril. You can see it in the case evidence. These people are paying attention.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah. My thinking about this has evolved over the years in a certain sense, like the horse is way out of the barn. You want to find out about shooters, you just go online and there's anything you want, right? But I do think media coverage is important and very important. And I've written about this a lot and I care about it a lot, I think, because you can see evidence, as I've said, in cases where

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah. My thinking about this has evolved over the years in a certain sense, like the horse is way out of the barn. You want to find out about shooters, you just go online and there's anything you want, right? But I do think media coverage is important and very important. And I've written about this a lot and I care about it a lot, I think, because you can see evidence, as I've said, in cases where

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Yeah. My thinking about this has evolved over the years in a certain sense, like the horse is way out of the barn. You want to find out about shooters, you just go online and there's anything you want, right? But I do think media coverage is important and very important. And I've written about this a lot and I care about it a lot, I think, because you can see evidence, as I've said, in cases where

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

perpetrators, especially young ones, are paying attention to media coverage and how it's done and how much of it there is. And so I believe that as media professionals, we can make an impact on that in being deliberate in how we report on and focus on perpetrators of these crimes.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

perpetrators, especially young ones, are paying attention to media coverage and how it's done and how much of it there is. And so I believe that as media professionals, we can make an impact on that in being deliberate in how we report on and focus on perpetrators of these crimes.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

perpetrators, especially young ones, are paying attention to media coverage and how it's done and how much of it there is. And so I believe that as media professionals, we can make an impact on that in being deliberate in how we report on and focus on perpetrators of these crimes.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Now, that said, there has been a movement over the years to really diminish and ignore, even ignore, there's something called the no notoriety movement started by survivors of a shooting in Colorado, the movie theater attack in 2012. And there's some other versions of this, too, that essentially say the media should never name a mass shooter, never show their face, like black it out.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Now, that said, there has been a movement over the years to really diminish and ignore, even ignore, there's something called the no notoriety movement started by survivors of a shooting in Colorado, the movie theater attack in 2012. And there's some other versions of this, too, that essentially say the media should never name a mass shooter, never show their face, like black it out.

The Jordan Harbinger Show
1140: Mark Follman | How to Stop Mass Shootings in America

Now, that said, there has been a movement over the years to really diminish and ignore, even ignore, there's something called the no notoriety movement started by survivors of a shooting in Colorado, the movie theater attack in 2012. And there's some other versions of this, too, that essentially say the media should never name a mass shooter, never show their face, like black it out.