Mark Follman

They're there to investigate crime and help prosecute it, right? That's part of the story of why the Secret Service was at the genesis of this work because their mission inherently was to protect people. high-profile figures, the president and others, that is inherently a preventative mission. But to get law enforcement to think about prevention in this way is a hurdle. It's a paradigm shift.

They're there to investigate crime and help prosecute it, right? That's part of the story of why the Secret Service was at the genesis of this work because their mission inherently was to protect people. high-profile figures, the president and others, that is inherently a preventative mission. But to get law enforcement to think about prevention in this way is a hurdle. It's a paradigm shift.

They're there to investigate crime and help prosecute it, right? That's part of the story of why the Secret Service was at the genesis of this work because their mission inherently was to protect people. high-profile figures, the president and others, that is inherently a preventative mission. But to get law enforcement to think about prevention in this way is a hurdle. It's a paradigm shift.

There's some interesting storytelling around that too, particularly with the Los Angeles Police Department, where they were developing a threat management unit in the early 1990s to try to prevent stalking because there were a number of stalking murders, including the high-profile killing of Rebecca Schaefer. And people were very frustrated.

There's some interesting storytelling around that too, particularly with the Los Angeles Police Department, where they were developing a threat management unit in the early 1990s to try to prevent stalking because there were a number of stalking murders, including the high-profile killing of Rebecca Schaefer. And people were very frustrated.

There's some interesting storytelling around that too, particularly with the Los Angeles Police Department, where they were developing a threat management unit in the early 1990s to try to prevent stalking because there were a number of stalking murders, including the high-profile killing of Rebecca Schaefer. And people were very frustrated.

Why can't you stop this before it happens when this is going on literally for years in some of these cases? The guy that killed Rebecca Schaefer had stalked her for two years and there were a lot of warning behaviors and attempts to make contact with her. And so it really shifted the thinking about what police can do to be more proactive to help prevent that type of violence.

Why can't you stop this before it happens when this is going on literally for years in some of these cases? The guy that killed Rebecca Schaefer had stalked her for two years and there were a lot of warning behaviors and attempts to make contact with her. And so it really shifted the thinking about what police can do to be more proactive to help prevent that type of violence.

Why can't you stop this before it happens when this is going on literally for years in some of these cases? The guy that killed Rebecca Schaefer had stalked her for two years and there were a lot of warning behaviors and attempts to make contact with her. And so it really shifted the thinking about what police can do to be more proactive to help prevent that type of violence.

But it is a real shift in thinking about how we perceive the role of police and I think how people do police work.

But it is a real shift in thinking about how we perceive the role of police and I think how people do police work.

But it is a real shift in thinking about how we perceive the role of police and I think how people do police work.

That's part of that story, too, with Rebecca Schaefer. After that murder and some others contemporaneously, that began to prompt an effort to make legislation in California, an anti-stalking statute that was passed, I think, in 1994. too, if I'm remembering correctly. Prior to that, there was no legal remedy for that behavior.

That's part of that story, too, with Rebecca Schaefer. After that murder and some others contemporaneously, that began to prompt an effort to make legislation in California, an anti-stalking statute that was passed, I think, in 1994. too, if I'm remembering correctly. Prior to that, there was no legal remedy for that behavior.

That's part of that story, too, with Rebecca Schaefer. After that murder and some others contemporaneously, that began to prompt an effort to make legislation in California, an anti-stalking statute that was passed, I think, in 1994. too, if I'm remembering correctly. Prior to that, there was no legal remedy for that behavior.

There was no way to really prosecute someone because they hadn't yet committed a crime. It's like they can harass the hell out of you. They can come to your door, give you flowers and gifts and make you feel really terrible and scared. But until they actually attack you, we can't do anything. That was the attitude of law enforcement prior to that era.

There was no way to really prosecute someone because they hadn't yet committed a crime. It's like they can harass the hell out of you. They can come to your door, give you flowers and gifts and make you feel really terrible and scared. But until they actually attack you, we can't do anything. That was the attitude of law enforcement prior to that era.

There was no way to really prosecute someone because they hadn't yet committed a crime. It's like they can harass the hell out of you. They can come to your door, give you flowers and gifts and make you feel really terrible and scared. But until they actually attack you, we can't do anything. That was the attitude of law enforcement prior to that era.

But California passed a law that essentially said if you threaten someone that puts them into a reasonable state of fear for their safety, That is illegal. That's a stalking crime. And then that began to spread to other states and eventually pretty quickly became a federal law as well.

But California passed a law that essentially said if you threaten someone that puts them into a reasonable state of fear for their safety, That is illegal. That's a stalking crime. And then that began to spread to other states and eventually pretty quickly became a federal law as well.