Mark Follman

If we can understand that better, we can see it coming and we can do things about it constructively to try to prevent it from happening. And when I first was learning about this field of work, which I would say a decade plus ago was really completely out of public view. I'd never heard of it. And I'd been studying mass shootings already for a couple of years at that point.

If we can understand that better, we can see it coming and we can do things about it constructively to try to prevent it from happening. And when I first was learning about this field of work, which I would say a decade plus ago was really completely out of public view. I'd never heard of it. And I'd been studying mass shootings already for a couple of years at that point.

So that was alone astonishing to me. And when I started to learn about cases, prevention cases that were out of public view,

So that was alone astonishing to me. And when I started to learn about cases, prevention cases that were out of public view,

So that was alone astonishing to me. And when I started to learn about cases, prevention cases that were out of public view,

that were successful, where you're talking about individuals who were setting up for some pretty scary situations, where there were very strong indications that this was a person who was planning violence, who had either already obtained weapons or had the opportunity to do so, was basically about to go commit an attack of this nature, who were steered away from it through constructive interventions by threat assessment practitioners.

that were successful, where you're talking about individuals who were setting up for some pretty scary situations, where there were very strong indications that this was a person who was planning violence, who had either already obtained weapons or had the opportunity to do so, was basically about to go commit an attack of this nature, who were steered away from it through constructive interventions by threat assessment practitioners.

that were successful, where you're talking about individuals who were setting up for some pretty scary situations, where there were very strong indications that this was a person who was planning violence, who had either already obtained weapons or had the opportunity to do so, was basically about to go commit an attack of this nature, who were steered away from it through constructive interventions by threat assessment practitioners.

I was really amazed by that, and I felt that was a really important story to tell. in terms of preventing this problem more. And so that inherently is not necessarily about guns at all. That's about helping the person who needs help, the person in crisis, the person who's planning violence, who sees violence as their only solution to their suffering.

I was really amazed by that, and I felt that was a really important story to tell. in terms of preventing this problem more. And so that inherently is not necessarily about guns at all. That's about helping the person who needs help, the person in crisis, the person who's planning violence, who sees violence as their only solution to their suffering.

I was really amazed by that, and I felt that was a really important story to tell. in terms of preventing this problem more. And so that inherently is not necessarily about guns at all. That's about helping the person who needs help, the person in crisis, the person who's planning violence, who sees violence as their only solution to their suffering.

Well, it's not profiling, though, and there's no checklist. And that's something important that we'll talk about, too. It's different than that. I think that's a big misconception about this work, too. And I also want to add to just one more thing about the gun discussion. This is not a zero sum discussion, either. These are not mutually exclusive things.

Well, it's not profiling, though, and there's no checklist. And that's something important that we'll talk about, too. It's different than that. I think that's a big misconception about this work, too. And I also want to add to just one more thing about the gun discussion. This is not a zero sum discussion, either. These are not mutually exclusive things.

Well, it's not profiling, though, and there's no checklist. And that's something important that we'll talk about, too. It's different than that. I think that's a big misconception about this work, too. And I also want to add to just one more thing about the gun discussion. This is not a zero sum discussion, either. These are not mutually exclusive things.

Gun regulations are a huge part of this story, too. And those intersect with the work of violence prevention, of course. It's not one or the other. And I think we see a lot of that dichotomy in this debate about gun violence and the issue of mass shootings in our society. Everyone goes to their corners. I'm either totally for guns everywhere or I'm against all guns.

Gun regulations are a huge part of this story, too. And those intersect with the work of violence prevention, of course. It's not one or the other. And I think we see a lot of that dichotomy in this debate about gun violence and the issue of mass shootings in our society. Everyone goes to their corners. I'm either totally for guns everywhere or I'm against all guns.

Gun regulations are a huge part of this story, too. And those intersect with the work of violence prevention, of course. It's not one or the other. And I think we see a lot of that dichotomy in this debate about gun violence and the issue of mass shootings in our society. Everyone goes to their corners. I'm either totally for guns everywhere or I'm against all guns.

And this is all about mental health or it's about something else entirely. Politics, ideology, it's all these things together.

And this is all about mental health or it's about something else entirely. Politics, ideology, it's all these things together.

And this is all about mental health or it's about something else entirely. Politics, ideology, it's all these things together.