Mark Gagnon

I don't know.

I think there's something in that, right?

That, you know, you can imagine any conflict in the world where there's tragedy and death on both sides.

Both of those groups that are dying have parents that love them.

And oftentimes they're just people put in a situation where they kind of had no choice.

And Homer knew it.

And unfortunately, we're still figuring it out today.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is an abridged history and mythology of the Battle of Troy.

I mean, what a fascinating story.

You got a shot at the Greeks.

I just want to say thank you to you and your ancestors for, I guess, two things.

One, providing the West with an infrastructure for civilization and democracy and philosophy and just everything you guys have contributed to my life and also for producing this podcast.

Those two things go kind of hand in hand for me.

But I mean, just what a crazy story.

Did you read the Iliad when you were a kid?

Was this like a part of like your Greek education?

All right.

We've strayed a long way from the times of Alexander the Great, but it's probably worth a read.

I read the Odyssey High School, the Iliad College, and I thought the Iliad was better.

The Odyssey is cool.