Mark Gagnon

Yeah.

Because they thought, oh, once I achieve this, then I'll be good enough.

I'll be worth it.

I'll have achieved everything I want.

And then they find themselves at the top of the podium going,

Is this all there?

This is it?

It's almost hopeless.

I don't think it's always bad.

Like again, I think some people just have a natural disposition for like conquest.

And I don't think that it's good or bad.

It's just kind of how it's directed.

And I also think there has to be a little bit that's like a little stoic part of you that's like, okay, I'll be, you know, I'll free myself from desire.

I can just be happy with what I can control and that's good enough.

And, again, don't get me wrong, I'm sort of like, you know, kind of poo-pooing this American sensibility, but I have that also.

Like, I have ambitions.

But a lot of it comes from, like, an acceptance of death, where I'm like, I'm gonna die.

I might as well try as hard as I can right now and give it my best shot and see what happens.

But there's also a part of me, and I kind of lean almost more to the Brazilian affect, I think, where I'm like,

I have a son that I love and I love spending time with my wife.