Mark Grote

2024 was a, I'll just say it, it was disastrous.

It just felt, it made me feel horrible because you finally thought you had the quarterback and then it made us question because of the way he was managed to a large degree, it made you wonder if they actually had the guy.

And he was culpable for some of it too.

I'm not saying that Caleb Williams is a perfect quarterback.

I've been plenty critical about him over the years.

So it was interesting, Marshall, to listen to Chris Simms

doing an interview with Caleb Williams and Williams reflecting on his rookie year and how it made him a better quarterback today.

Do you believe this?

And you mean what?

Just struggle?

If the path to success doesn't have any obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere, and it probably would make for a bad book.

Which is crazy.

It is crazy to see.

Like I tell you as an eyewitness out at minicamp, I was out there, and it is strange to watch –

practice, watch 11 on 11 or whatever out there and know that there's been so many times in my life where I've watched training camp or practices and it's all defense.

It's all the defense making the plays and now it's pretty even out there, I would say.

And from other eyewitnesses and reporters that I talk to,

Because I wasn't there for all of it.

And Ben Johnson keeps making that point too, that there hasn't been, because there's a lot of the practices that we don't see.

And Ben Johnson has been saying it's been pretty equal between the offense and the defense right now.