Mark Halperin

And every one of these is different.

If two people are jaywalking, as I said, one goes to prison or gets a death penalty, the other walks free.

What determines in each case?

Some of it is what Hardy called hap.

Some of it is just the vagaries of life.

So you jaywalk, and then someone robs a bank.

People are going to cover the bank robbery.

Maybe you get through it.

But it's more complicated than that.

And I've seen it my whole career.

And I'm always fascinated to see who survives and who doesn't, who pays a price and who doesn't, and how big a price if they pay one.

There was a time when if you were nominated to be on the Supreme Court and it came out that you smoked a joint, you were done.

You couldn't be on the Supreme Court.

There was a time when you were nominated to be attorney general.

If it came out that you had household health that you hadn't paid Social Security tax on, you were out.

OK, now those things are not factors anymore.

But for a time, this was in the Clinton administration.

Those were those were decisive in some cases.

OK.

Now we're just looking at all this Epstein stuff.