Mark Halperin

is a huge problem.

And I put that as a corollary to go see people in person, which is realize that not all wisdom in America is found or all great stories are found in Washington and New York.

I've covered politics in all 50 states and not many reporters have.

The reason I knew Donald Trump might win in 2016 was because I went to Trump rallies in more than 30 states and talked to voters in all of them.

There is an institutional bias towards the establishment, towards the wealthy.

Most reporters have health insurance.

Not all, but most do.

And so they don't understand fully what that means to not have health insurance if you've got a kid in particular.

Most reporters don't experience illegal immigration in a way that is negative in their lives.

Not all, but most.

Most reporters don't know someone who's died from a fentanyl overdose, right?

So that establishment bias, that bias towards wealth, well-connected, it's always been around.

So like I said, I'm not sure I think it's new, but it's definitely pernicious, and it's definitely something that's given me an advantage.

And there's an irony there, of course, because I grew up in Washington in privilege.

I went to Harvard in privilege.

I live in Manhattan.

But I think I do a good job of thinking relentlessly about what's going on in the rest of the country.

Changed the way I treat people?

A lot of people with the negative examples.

Yeah.