Mark Hertling

I look at this as a really tragic moment in American history.

NATO is a fantastic alliance.

It's served American interests and values well for many, many decades.

We've had our bumps in the road over the decades.

This is not the first time.

But when President Trump came in, he disrespected our allies.

He threatened to invade one of them.

I want people to be reminded of that fact.

He literally threatened to invade one of them.

And he called the other one.

He said, oh, they're just the 51st state, right?

That's Canada.

And then he put tariffs on our allies in a completely irrational way.

It made no economic sense, made no national security sense.

and he just disrespected our allies so with that comes pushback and it shouldn't have to come this is a cell phone goal we created this problem but it is a tragic moment because in the long term america in dealing with china and russia and iran and north korea we need our allies

And right now, because of this war of choice, this is the greatest threat to the NATO alliance that we've had in the Trump era.

And I'm deeply troubled by it.

I'm scared by it.

I hope we survive.

But we are in some troubled waters right now.